Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Gay? Lesbian? Straight? Who Cares?!?

Ladies and gents...
I got an email forwarded to me tonight... I found it pretty interesting... and even tried to pass it off as humorous in someway. I want you to know that this was just a forwarded email and I have no idea the truth behind it. Please read the below and then my comments at the bottom. I'm looking forward to hearing your comments, too!!!

August 13, 2008
Dear So and So,

McDonald’s has done it again. First, the company paid $20,000 to become a member of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and to have a seat on the board of directors. Next, McDonald’s refused a request to remain neutral in the culture war by choosing to promote the gay agenda. Then McDonald’s accused those opposing the gay agenda, including same-sex marriage, of being motivated by hate.

Now we learn that McDonald’s sponsors training for homosexuals on how to promote their agenda among corporations from the inside.
Out & Equal™ Workplace Advocates is a national organization devoted to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community in the workplace. One of its primary purposes is to train employees how to aggressively promote homosexuality within the company they work for, all the way to the corporate boardroom. Part of last year’s Out & Equal Summit in Washington, DC, (sponsored by McDonald’s) was an organized march into congressional offices demanding same-sex marriage laws be passed.

At the bottom of McDonald’s half-page ad in the Out & Equal Summit booklet is this statement: “From neighborhood to neighborhood, coast to coast and around the world, McDonald’s is proud to celebrate diversity” (homosexuality).

Thank you for caring enough to get involved. If you feel our efforts are worthy of support, would you
consider making a small tax-deductible contribution to help us continue?

Donald E. Wildmon,
Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
Donate with confidence to AFA

(gifts are tax-deductible)

Okay... so here's what I think.
I am a Catholic and I am a Republican... but I am also a human.

I personally have no problems and typically support gay and lesbian relationships (outside of the military) and even marriages. I do not agree with them getting married in the Catholic church... but who am I to stand in their way of having a civil ceremony??? How would you feel if you found your soul mate but were refused to make it legally binding just because you were both women or both males???

I have several gay and lesbian friends - just because they're gay does not make them bad people. They are people just like me and you. They put their pants on one leg at a time... just like me and you. They go to their jobs and do their grocery shopping just like we do. Nothing makes them different. So why is it that gays are often referred to or implied to be of some other species?!?
It is 2008... it is accepted in most of the world. Why is the gay movement still such a huge issue for so many Americans? We live in the U.S.A. This is the land of the free.

*** Food for thought: If your son or daughter told you he or she were gay, what would you do?

*** This is my answer: Duh... I'd go out and get the biggest rainbow flag ever to hang in my yard!

I'm totally interested in your thoughts. Please try to keep them polite - but everyone has their own opinion.


Chris O said...

First, if we had a gay child, I don't think we should hang a rainbow flag in our yard and paraded their being gay publicly. If we did have a gay child, I would be disappointed, but I would learn to accept it. I'm not going to ruin a relationship with one of our children because they were gay.

I do agree, gay, lesbian, who cares as long as they don't go parading it around. I believe in the don't ask, don't tell policy. I don't agree with companies promoting being gay. I don't beleive anyone should have any type of advantage in the workforce because of their sexual orientation.

Anyway, I could go on forever on how I felt on this. I'll stop here.

I think you opened a big can a worms on this one.

Rebekah said...

amen sista! what the crap is it anyone's business anyway????? geesh since when does our government need to be involved in what goes down between 2 willing ADULTS! Geesh! if you aren't down with the Gay love then DON'T go trolling the Gay bars. Why are people wasting all their time and energy on GAY MARRIAGE! OMG we are losing precious american lives in a frikin ridiculous war that is based on well, i won't even go there. let's worry about getting our kid's home safe, not who's doing who! WHO CARES???????


You`re so right, who cares if you`re gay! As long as you don`t hurt someone else with your lifestyle choices or use it as an excuse to be mean to others that do not agree with your choice. I have a few gay friends and they`re like everyone else....some good...some bad.

Christina said...

So Chris... I think now we have established that if one of our children were gay - you'd probably try to ignore it. While I would be in every gay pride parade this side of the Mississippi.
Interesting... And sweetie, I would personally hang the biggest rainbow flag on the highest flag pole I could find. :-)

I think this might be a difference between moms and dads. Men and women...

Do your husbands have feelings similar to Chris's? Or at least less accepting than yours?

I love the feedback. Keep it coming.

Sarah D said...

Why in the world are people even sending out e-mails like this? Do they think that for some reason people with homophobic fears will stop going to McDonalds? Don't think that will happen. Kids still need a happy meal and I could care less if it was served to me be a gay man or a lesbian woman or if an entire group of them are sitting next to them as we eat.

My problem with the gays??? There just are not enough of them around here!! I do love me a gay man! Although, why in the world a homosexual would choose to live in this area is beyond me.

Rebekah is so right, it is 2008 and we still worry about what other people are doing in their bedrooms. People actually choose who they will vote for based on that issue alone. It scares me.

If my child were gay, I am not sure I would hang a rainbow flag, just like I won't hang out some heterosexual flag today to advertise my sexuality. I have often thought that a gay son could be a VERY good thing. The gays as a general rule, LOVE their mothers. And then no pesky daughters-in-law to deal with!

Christina said...

So the email wasn't just a forwarded one. It was sent from the American Family Association to someone specific and that person forwarded it to friends and family that included me.

The email even had a link to sign the online Boycott McDonald's petition!!! I agree w/ Sarah - kids will always need their Happy Meals - and let's face it we all love some Mickey D's! Even if I were anti LGBT - I could never give up McDonald's... it's just not worth it!!!

Christina said...

Chris... one more thing... if gays and lesbians shouldn't parade around showing their sexuality... then I think we should stop holding hands and kissing in public... because why are we any better than gays? ;-)

Rebekah - Gay bars... yeah... man I love a good gay bar! Good times - and you never have to worry about stupid drunk guys hitting on you! Although once I did have a woman hit on me... but it made for a good story! :-)

Sarah - we do need more Gay men in the area. Who better to shop with?

Alisa - I totally hear what you're saying... because I know about your story... Ugh...

Chris O. said...

Can you tell me the last time we held hands or kissed in public? We don't go parading our sexuallity around why would McDonalds ecourage someone of different sexual orientation to do so?

Sarah D said...

by the way Christina, for a McCain and Bush lover you sure have some Liberal leanings!!!

Anonymous said...

Well I am proud to say that I am friends with many gays and I love them all dearly. Why in the world are people so darn crazy? What you choose to do with your personal life is your choice and if someone judges you it is more than likely because they do not understand it. We fear what we do not understand.
Christina, I agree with you, I would have to find the biggest flag ever for my yard!

Ps...I have many gay friends here if you all want to share mine! They are the best!

Christina said...

Chris... you are so right... I never hold your hand... or kiss you in public... not even when I'm drunk off my ass at a bar... nope, not me...

You're funny. :-) And just so you know... you're hendering future chances to do it in a public place or go parking in McDonald's parking lot (that I hear is a hot spot!). ;-)

Oh... and boy... we better not do it on the boat, either!!! ;-)

Christina said...

Sarah - I'm one of the new... trendy Republicans... :-) Republican is this season's black - haven't you heard??? :-)

Sarah D said...


I hope to see Obama on Saturday. I'll tell him what you said!!


Dawn said...

You just really impressed me! Wow. Weldon and I both just don't get what's the big deal? Everyone is a human and deserves to be treated like one, regardless of color, religion or sexuality. And the people that go off about it not being allowed because it says so in the bible just piss me off. The bible also states we are not to judge people and treat everyone with kindness.

Dawn said...

And if my child was gay, I'd be a walking rainbow too.

And your current song is Daelyn's favorite. I started laughing.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmmmm, very interesting discussion. This is all a matter of opinion and it will always be split. I hope that this is all just food for thought. Chris, Chris, Chris....disappointed in your child for their sexual orientation. Wow! Where do you draw the line or how do you. How could you possibly do that to your flesh and blood or child that you love for that matter. Would it be fair to your child that he/she be disappointed in you because you didn't make enough money to send them to a good school? How about because you can't play sports like the other fathers? We have to truly stop and think about the things that we say sometimes. Now I'm not saying that your statement is wrong. You’re a grown man and you can say what you please. I'm just wondering what you would tell your child when they say that they are disappointed in you for a choice that you decide to make that is based on what you think is right for you. We as human beings do the things that we feel are right for ourselves. I understand being shocked, but I don't know if I would be disappointed if my child decided to be Gay. Now where I agree with you is the part of I don't want to see the two of them all over each other, but then again I wouldn't want to see that if they were straight. We are coming into an era where a Black man could be the next president. Hell must be freezing over. WRONG!!! Why shouldn't a black man be able to run for president besides the fact of, for you one sided party freaks that are out there, that he isn't running for your party. This means that the world is finally changing. Thank the lord! We are finally coming to the point of where we are actually living by the constitution that we created. All men are created equal. The line should be changed and I could be wrong in the fact that it might say this, but, "All men and women" are created equal. Maybe you should open another can of worms Christina. Make your next blog about what color or creed should be able to run for president? Chris I would really like to hear you thoughts on that. One for Christina is, what would you say if you child brought home someone of Muslim? Being that you seem to be a military girl. Christina, you feel that gays are our equals, but not in the military? Odd, how can you put a limitation on equal? Are your military companions not also known as your brothers in arms. Does being Gay change the fact that they could save your life on the front line in battle. Do they deserve any less for defending a country that doesn't accept them? I think that they deserve a bit more respect as far as I'm concerned (the ones who fight in the military that is). They fight to defend the ground that your children play on, and we as Americans, can't stand them due to their sexual preferences. Now I know that there can be a lot of things said about all of this, but I just wanted to drop some lines since I stopped by. I do agree with Chris partially on the flag. There is no need for me to go out and grab the biggest I can find and stick it in my front yard (and yes Christina, I know where you were coming from with the comment on the flag; I think that you were trying to let us know that you are just trying to be a proud parent, I can read between the lines). I'm not gay and am not trying to promote that I am, but I would go to a pride parade for my child if they were. I would not be ashamed to let someone know if they asked either, or voice my opinion about how I still love them even though they are. I thought that we, or at least I, work towards teaching our children to like people for who they are. Where do you draw the line there? There are good priests, bad ones, good soldiers, bad ones, good mothers, bad ones, good fathers bad ones, good presidents, bad ones, and the list could go on and on. I agree that the Gay community is just like everyone else, some are good and some are bad. Some are what we call normal and some are way out there, just like straight people.

Christina said...

First, thanks for taking the time to stop by my blog and taking an interest in the current conversation. You bring up some valid points. I can see where you are coming from on so many levels. I will let Chris reply if he wants (he's my husband).

I just want to touch on the military thing. Yes - gays are our equals. However, right now there are strict rules in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) that restrict anyone of the gay sexuality to be in the military - hence the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. I feel that the military is full of rules to be followed - and this is one of them. If the UCMJ said it was ok - well, it would make a difference on how I feel. I am a veteran of the USAF. I proudly served our military here and on foreign soil. If you are a frequent reader, you know that I am a very patriotic individual. And would never put down our military. But, rules are rules - and in the military they are meant to be followed - not broken.

Also, if my son brought home a Muslim girl... I would have no other choice than to be supportive. I would remind my son of his own religion and pray that he remains a strong Catholic. But, I would never tell him he couldn't be with her because she is not Christian.

Alright... I'm done rambling. :-) I hope I said it all right - totally not meaning to be mean at all. Just rambling. BTW, curious if you will put your name if you post a comment again. Just curious who you are.

Anyway, thanks again for stopping by Sugar Sweet Thoughts! :-)

Christina said...

P.S. I am not an Obama supporter... you all know that. But, it's not because he is African American. I just don't like him and many of his views - and thank goodness we live in a country where we are allowed to dislike a Presidential nominee. :-) If Colin Powell ran for President - Republican, Democrat, or Independant - I would totally vote for him. Oh... and I would be very interested in Condoleeza Rice's ideas if/when she runs for President.

Major Mom said...

What a can of worms, Christina! But a good one worth commenting about...after all, you and I met (online) via that one episode of Gray's Anatomy :-)

My husband and I have discussed our possible reaction to one of our boys "coming out". We've agreed that we'd continue to give our son the same love as we do now, but continue to emphasize our faith's views on the topic (we're Lutheran). We aren't at the rainbow flags or marching in parades quite yet. I guess if he brought home boyfriends we'd get to know him and parent Jacob on the relationship issues as if he were a girlfriend.

We share your view that we don't feel LGBTs in our community are lepers or anything: they're smart, hardworking, good citizens just like the rest of us. If it weren't for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", I think they'd do a fine job in our military. But since it's against the rules, it's against the rules.

Where do I take offense in all of this? The agenda-pushing. The indications that if you do anything "pro-heterosexual", that must deem you "anti-gay". I wish that weren't the perception. I simply don't choose the same lifestyle, any more than whether I choose to drive a Honda or a Ford...or whether I choose to shop at Walmart of Target.

There are agenda pushers on both sides: the "gays are evil", along with the "anti-gays are evil".

This "Out & Equal" organization sounds like they might be pushing an agenda that implies that if there's a boardroom in America that doesn't include a homosexual, then that corporation is homophobic. I hope that isn't what they're implying.

If they're simply working towards equal benefits for same-sex unions (my opinion about same-sex marriages is different), such as Disney's programs of benefits packages for gay partners, then I'm not so bothered.

I know this is long, and my opinion on this is complicated. I felt like I should speak out since this is how you and I became blogger buddies in the first place!

Anonymous said...

AFA is a Christian organization promoting the Biblical ethic of decency in American society with emphasis on moral issues that impact families.
This boycott of McDonald’s is not about labeling homosexuals as bad people. It’s not about hiring homosexuals. It’s not about homosexuals eating at McDonald’s. It’s not about how homosexual employees are treated.
It is about McDonald’s, as a corporation, refusing to remain neutral in the culture wars, but choosing to promote the homosexual agenda, including homosexual marriage.
First, McDonald’s paid $20,000 to become a member of the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and to have a seat on the board of directors. McDonald’s also sponsors training for homosexuals on how to promote their agenda among corporations from the inside. McDonald’s has chosen to promote the gay agenda.
This is offensive to me, as I don’t appreciate McD’s forcing their values on me, my family, or our nation. Such a “family” restaurant should seek to support the traditional morals and values, not those of a small but very vocal and aggressive lobby. Yes, it’s 2008, and I think each of us needs to speak when the Spirit calls us to. I cannot encourage this lifestyle. I could love and accept a person who is homosexual, but I am not going to endorse this lifestyle. And neither should McD’s.
Disapproval of a life choice is NOT synonymous with hate, as McD’s has claimed. It’s not good that my disapproval of homosexuality is equated with hating the people that choose to engage in that lifestyle. That does not make sense. What I hate is that McD’s wants to promote it!!!!
The Catholic Church recognizes these deep-seated homosexual tendencies, and teaches that we need to accept them with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. It also teaches that homosexual persons are called to chastity, as “homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity”. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered”. And under no circumstance can they be approved. (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
I am very disappointed that McDonald’s is not neutral in this issue and I will support the boycott of McDonald’s until they agree to stop promoting the gay agenda. The youth of our country do not need to be encouraged to live this lifestyle. Period!
God bless us!

Brandie said...

Interesting to know.